Commons talk:Talk page guidelines

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Help:Talk page could potentially overlap quite a bit with this one. Just pointing that out... -- LeaMaimone 01:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Now redirects to Commons:Namespaces. Rd232 (talk) 22:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Redirecting ones talk page

Personally I have no problem with that. Just click on the link and go to the talk page, paste the message... you can sign with "commons:User:Fred_J" and five tildes. / Fred J 07:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That of course leaves you with the choice of disclosing your IP address or go through the registration and login process on the other site. It also makes it easy for others to pose as you.

However, a more important question is: how would you leave an {{Image source}}, {{Copyvionote}}, or {{Idw}} notice on a non-Commons site? Edit the template, copy the source code, paste it into the off-Commons talk page, and add all links to relevant Commons pages manually? Placing that burden, as well as the burden of identifying any previous Commons-related messages the user may have received mixed in with non-Commons-related messages, is simply not reasonable. Commons-related conversations belong on Commons. It's really that simple.

For people who can't be bothered checking their Commons talk page, the solution is simple: enable e-mail notifications. It takes exactly three (3) clicks and saves other Commons users the hassle of manually going to a site unrelated to Commons (possibly in a foreign language with a foreign character set and direction of writing), manually copying and customising a template, manually hacking a signature or registering an account, and somehow watching the non-Commons-related site for responses to the Commons-related message.

—LX (talk, contribs) 18:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

File talk

I would like to propose expanding this guideline with some information regarding File talk pages. During my activities patrolling anonymous edits I often notice anonymous users putting questions, information, statements, comments, suggestions, feedback, and god knows what else in other languages of which I am uncertain what exactly to do with it and if it should be kept on the file talk page.

It does feel like it doesn't belong there, but does it serve any purpose adding a heading, a signature and perhaps a response ? I've never had a single response to such talkpage messages since the anonymous user probably didn't expect an answer but just wanted to leave a note.

Though I couldn't find any good examples (I'll add later if I find some) - here are a few [1][2][3][4]. –Krinkle^talk 17:52, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Check for example the latest anonymous File-talk contributions. –Krinkle^talk 17:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree with you! That is a really good suggestion. In fact, 40-50% of talk-pages are useless. I guess, we should really think about a guideline. abf «Cabale!» 18:19, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the general guideline that out-of-scope stuff is deleted should do, but wouldn't it be more helpful to add an edit notice to file talk namespace explaining what it's for. -- User:Docu at 07:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW, except maybe sample #4 by Krinkle, these talk page seem better than the usual stuff and IMHO what talk pages are for. -- User:Docu at 07:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

delete comments after they have responded

In the section Can_I_do_whatever_I_want_to_my_own_user_talk_page, it is said that Others delete comments after they have responded to them. Is this a good policy? If the messages are deleted, it is a long and tedious job to search for messages in the diff. Although English wiki does not disallow deleting the contents either (User talk page), there at least it is said that archiving is preferred. I think we should give preference to archiving here as well. --Sreejith K (talk) 08:18, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. The observation (rather than recommendation) that some users delete comments after they have responded to them dates back to 2005. Today, it is the exception rather than the rule, and for good reason.

• Administrators and others use user talk pages (or their archives) as one part of the process of evaluating the credibility of source and authorship information when reviewing uploads. (Authorship claims from users with lots of warnings for copyright violations naturally need a more critical evaluation than those from a user with a spotless history.)
• Our deletion policy encourages administrators to check whether the uploader was notified of the deletion discussion, but it is unrealistic to expect them to dig through history diffs.
• The what links here? feature only works with current versions of pages (including archives but not historical diffs), so finding all old discussions relating to a file or other page becomes difficult if users blank discussions instead of archiving them.
• Hiding the talk page history may also mean that one receives messages or questions about the same issue several times, which can annoying for both the sender and the recipient.

—LX (talk, contribs) 15:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Since removing warning's from a user's talk page is not encouraged until the deletion discussion or deletion is finished, once the deletion request or warning is considered and responded, the user have the freedom to remove the warning notices from their talk page (after the discussion process), A log can tell the user's history of copyright violations rather than looking into diff's...current policy seems to be okay --...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 09:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you if it is a deletion notice or warning, but user messages has to be treated differently. --Sreejith K (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

That only addresses some of the problems that I mentioned. Furthermore, the current guidelines (not policy) only mention blanking after responding. Under the current guidelines, it's fine to respond "ok, noted" to a deletion notice and then blank it. (Of course, in practice, those in the habit of blanking talk pages usually don't respond at all.) There is no indication that deletion notices must be left in place for the duration of the deletion discussion. —LX (talk, contribs) 10:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Arbitration?

"this can become an issue in arbitration or other formal proceedings"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it does not exist here. Remove? NVO (talk) 04:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Blanking

I think we could use some binding words of wisdom on the subject. Palosirkka (talk) 07:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Pointy essay

The guideline page is a horrible pointy mess. Count me as support under AGF if you try some bold clean-up, i.e., remove at least 50% of this hogwash keeping whatever you identified as essential. –Be..anyone (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

BA-CC 4.0 Naoki

First of all I apologize for rude. The occasion is not on top of that they had bad intentions. Further says, but your from the block should be thankful about the means to cut off all contact. I have a basic knowledge of machine code and assembler in fact. Besides the wiki knowledge networks to hammer themselves once again. And get the current status. Your from, I might do has been educating me. However, I am human being was already editing the previous Wikipedia would still be 0/2000. Age 50, is past the Bachelor of engineering. So others know the process has made this system will spread the field once in a while, I better wear. Bossy words just what there is I think a flickering. I. Naoki--ナカネコ (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC) And I don't rename. I need name ナカネコ and administrator Naoki. You understand.. 名前の調査は止めてください。 これ以上の妨害は止めてください。 私も貴殿らのマニュアルには違うようにはすています。 こちらの希望がきけないのでしょうか。 Naoki --ナカネコ (talk) 17:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

It might be better to write that in Japanese at Commons:井戸端. --AVRS (talk) 22:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Copyright status: File:Icon gold.png etc.

Yes, the files I've uploaded apparently doesn't meet requirements for a commons pictures. But if you've read the files' substantiation, you'd know that the license was just badly formed. Also, I think I should get one week to solve the licensing, not one day. I'm mentioning this because the community manager of that game wants the files uploaded and he's solving it right now. And you've deleted it. Last but not least, you've deleted pictures that were used in text without any warning that you're gonna do it so soon. That means I had to manually find missing words in the text and replace it. Carvin (talk) 05:28, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

What does this have to do with Commons:Talk page guidelines? How do you suggest the guidelines should be changed? —LX (talk, contribs) 05:47, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Keep the discussion readable

I didn't find anything about not removing comments made by other editors in this guideline. It may be elsewhere, but I thought this was a logical place to look. A search for "removing comments" finds that not removing comments is a behavior "which most editors agree with in principle and generally follow".[5] Consequently, I added the following:

• Keep the discussion readable: Do not edit or remove comments made by other people unless they are offensive, uncivil or otherwise violate the guidelines or policies of Commons. Otherwise, such edits are rude and make it difficult for others to follow discussions. When it is necessary to edit or remove comments, explain your reasoning in your edit summary. Often it is clearer to strike a comment, rather to change or delete it, especially if it is followed by a response. Use <s>struck through comment</s> to generate struck through comment.

I welcome comments and discussion. Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Removal of comments, notices, and warnings by owners of User Talk page outlined in WP:Blanking project content guideline as follows:

"Policy does not prohibit users, whether registered or unregistered, from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. If a user removes material from their user page, it is normally taken to mean that the user has read and is aware of its contents. There is no need to keep them on display and usually users should not be forced to do so. It is often best to simply let the matter rest if the issues stop. If they do not, or they recur, then any record of past warnings and discussions can be found in the page history if ever needed, and these diffs are just as good evidence of previous matters if needed."

So although archiving is "prefrred" user still can choose to remove comments history from his own page. --Roo mate (talk) 11:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Added: This guidance applies to discussions other than on your own user talk page, but is good practice on your page, also. Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:58, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Layout

Where this came from?

• Use indenting to keep the conversation straight: The first contributor is all the way to the left, the next person starts with one colon (:), the next person starts with two colons. Then, when the first contributor responds, they start at the left margin again, and the second and third persons continue to mark themselves with one and two colons respectively. In that way, who is saying what is clear. Other indentation systems are also widely used.

It is not quite clear what "other indentation systems" it means, but the preceding text completely contradicts w:WP:THREAD, which most people are actually using in wiki discussions (check the Village pump here, for example). And these "colons respectively" make not much sense either — "who is saying what" is already clear from their signatures, but who is replying to what is unintelligible in this system.

I'd suggest replacing it with what w:WP:THREAD says. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 08:40, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Mikhail Ryazanov: The current wording has been there since the start. I agree with your suggestion. We could perhaps leave out the example, which takes up quite a lot of space and doesn't fit so well into the format here. —LX (talk, contribs) 19:58, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Sure, we can replace the example with something like "(see WP:THREAD for an example)". — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

That Calinawan Caves form Tanay, Rizal is my original work since 2014

Yes i can say that photo is the original, and i owned this, the one that you sent me in blogger is the one that i used to shot when we took the scene on the same place in Tandang Pocho, Tanay Rizal near Calinawan Cave shot in my digicam in August 21, 2014. That blogger is my site and i know the Rules and Regulations that it is prohibited to upload and send your unoriginal shot or using that picture owned by the other.

Thanks and hoping that you will not delete my picture in your contest because it is my copyright and i took it in my own cam... Thanks Very Much...Edgar Ebro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edbon3000 (talk • contribs) 06:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

My contribution

It is the school for drug users in the ministry of defence Thailand ,We have series of photo. What Should l do ? Old Captain 82 (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2018 (UTC)